Servants of Manwe 1.0

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i think it is not a good deck.

solo it is not much effective and i wonder if it will make anduin nightmare (for me a "standart" to pass for a solodeck )

in multi it takes 3 heroes that are often taken, without giving this much power to the table.

the mentioned carddraw is not like it should be, at least not from the start. you need that cards (raven,staff) and do not have it from the start.

no additional resource-generation. the 3 staffs alone need 2 full rounds of resources. it is by far to slow to be a good deck.

gandalf paired up with one of them is good, but saruman and radagast is a bad combination, you can rarely support both of them to make it work fast enough.

the trick with desperate allieance or fall of gil galad is nice, but not enough, and risky. to let saruman die is not planable every time (and then have the 1 copy in the deck-card)

so, please do it only solo, else it ruins the day of the other players ;)

@doomguard I usually value your input on decks, but please be a bit more civil and a tad less arrogant :)

Not every player enjoys the game solo, nor do they think a deck is "bad" because it doesn't work solo. I've built plenty of very good multiplayer decks that absolutely do not work in solo. I don't play nightmare and do not care if my decks are able to beat every nightmare in the deck.

I'm sure most of the community agrees with me. In my book, a good deck is a fun deck, that the creator takes pleasure to play. Here, clearly, the creator intended to use the three Istaris, which is indeed a dangerous selection of heroes that requires janky or suboptimal build.

If you don't like it, or never play multiplyer, or (worse) refuse to play suboptimal fun decks, it is your problem.

This is a fun deck hence it's a GOOD deck.

I would add that the best deckbuilders in this game (I would cite Seastan, Rouxxor, 13nrv for instance) have never shown that type of arrogance.

it is my honest opinion. if you dont like it, it is not my Problem. you put it for puplic and Risk to gain honest opinions. i can live with the trait arrogance. and i still think ist bad and i dont like to Play with that deck on the same table. this is honest. if that is not "civil" then i am not civil. but i have a reason to write as i write. because your description read as it is a good deck, good not only for fun, good for beating quests. and that it isnt. (if word of command could be used as u thought it was used, then it would be a good deck, but it doesnt) and i Play much multiplayer and i hope that except at the drinking game at next lure, no one want to Play this deck at my table or Epic multiplayer.

`@doomguardI suspect we are different types of players. The challenge for me in playing this game is to build thematic decks that are as effective as possible without breaking theme. Obviously, some themes work better than others, and a theme that ONLY has 3 possible heroes that starts at 38 threat with a hard lock on threat reduction isn't ever going to be the BEST deck out there. This is my attempt at the BEST deck using these three specific heroes.

In terms of your specific criticisms:

• Character Overlap: I play almost exclusively with my wife. Since she knew what my deck was, we have never once had the problem of her not being able to play a hero. This deck is one you play with people who know you are playing this deck.

• Card Draw: There are a ton of different card draw options: Deep Knowledge, Messenger Raven, Gandalf's Staff, Expert Treasure-hunter. I haven't actually played a game where I didn't have card draw options turn one.

-Money Generation: Money is a bit tighter than I like in this deck. Once you have Gandalf's Staff and Radagasts Staff it stops being a problem.

• It's a bad pairing: As soon as I have another option for an Istari hero I will consider this. For the moment, this is the ONLY pairing.

-Threat Reduction: The Gil Galad trick is really easy to pull off. I wasn't sure about it at first, but I haven't EVER threated out with this deck. Not once. I have cleared two cycles with it, but nothing on nightmare

-Please Do it only solo: No.

@doomguard It's ok there, just chill, no need to get even more un-civil. I think you got your answers there. It's really too bad because I REALLY like your input on my decks, you have really cool ideas. Just be careful, be more nice to people. Is that really too hard? Would it make your day more miserable to be nicer?

it is o.k. to be different types of players. i like to play nightmare and the hard quests (carn dum, belegost,...), where optimising is necessary. i also like to play drinking games, where theme, "fun" or even ironic is central. but a "fundeck" should imo declared as one and in the initial post this was not.

in hard quests or in the nightmarechallenge i would avoid such "experiments". in "fun"-modus, what do we care, and i would take part.....

but, even as a fundeck i find it not very creative (take the only 3 istari....hohoho) but playable (and good idea with fall of gilgalad), and would not critisise it anymore.

perhaps some of my "roughness" is because i am german and not so good at english. but if i find something bad i will be allowed to say it in a free land ;)

going deep-psychological ;) i am kind of angry because i thought myself about a 3 istari-deck and cant found a good solution, that would fit my standarts. had hope as i saw the herolineup and was disappointed as i saw the deck (and read it description)

to become constructive: i can imagine, that the deck with 3 istari "could" become playable (beside "fun"), if its played with the white council-contract (what halps with the resource-problem), but in multiplayer i asume hardly: split the istari on 2 or 3 decks is always better (in ways of finishing hard quests)